Topic: Forty-eight vehicles meet IIHS Top Safety Pick+ criteria

[chrischasescars]

I hate to correct you, but the Chrysler 200 is foreign owned like the others and is NOT a domestic any longer.

Hence why I referred to it as a domestic-branded car.

[Noto]

I'd rather a Corolla or Highlander in a crash than the Scion Yaris WITH collision avoidance.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/scion/ia-4-door-sedan/2016

https://youtu.be/jlEGPVNipIs

I don't know that I agree with you on that one, Ron:

Highlander:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/toyota/highlander-4-door-suv/2015
https://youtu.be/_kh__0HvOSA

Corolla:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/toyota/corolla-4-door-sedan
https://youtu.be/9AnNSfVds9M

...assuming the IIHS's small overlap is the only consideration, which it isn't

[tooscoops]

i tend to look at deaths per million or whatever the stat is over the crash tests. the crash tests i look at as a minimum requirement for the car to be sold... you can build a car to pass a test (just ask vw with emissions!), much harder to prevent injury/death in the real world.

even with my comment earlier, i would still take a mazda 5 if it was the car i wanted... i just dont!

[Solstice2006]

i tend to look at deaths per million or whatever the stat is over the crash tests. the crash tests i look at as a minimum requirement for the car to be sold... you can build a car to pass a test (just ask vw with emissions!), much harder to prevent injury/death in the real world.

even with my comment earlier, i would still take a mazda 5 if it was the car i wanted... i just dont!

For sure, you know I had a Mazda5. 

And I think I remember something along the lines of deaths per million for the Odyssey was 0..

[Noto]

i tend to look at deaths per million or whatever the stat is over the crash tests. the crash tests i look at as a minimum requirement for the car to be sold... you can build a car to pass a test (just ask vw with emissions!), much harder to prevent injury/death in the real world.

even with my comment earlier, i would still take a mazda 5 if it was the car i wanted... i just dont!

Number of deaths is too situational-dependent.  How the integral structure is maintained is more important to me.

[tooscoops]

agree about that... and you still can't just look at one thing to come up with results. the more info the better.

[dirtyjeffer]

well the Corolla was just redesigned. As was the Highlander.  A few Hyundais/Kias, the domestics.  So I wouldn't say all....

i'm not sure you understood my point...what i mean was, i would imagine all the of the redesigned vehicles would do well on the test...it makes sense the Mazda5 didn't do well as it predated that partial overlap test.

oh I see.  Thought you meant all new designed vehicles should get top safety marks...

that is what i meant...the Mazda5 isn't a "new" design...i would imagine its successor (if there is one) would do well though.

[rrocket]

I hate to correct you, but the Chrysler 200 is foreign owned like the others and is NOT a domestic any longer.

Hence why I referred to it as a domestic-branded car.

No you didn't. Unless it wasn't you?

Go look at the tagline in the very first post!

"Chrysler 200 only domestic to earn top IIHS safety prize"

[rrocket]

I don't know that I agree with you on that one, Ron:

In a vehicle vs vehicle accident, mass wins almost every time.

I've shown before why a 1990 Lexus LS400 would be safer in a crash against any new compact...highest safety rated or not.

[rrocket]

No Corolla or Highlander on the list, no Fords, no GM, one Dodge.

I'd rather a Corolla or Highlander in a crash than the Scion Yaris WITH collision avoidance.

I'd take either..any time!

Well so would I.  But did any Scion, or Yaris make the list?

Yes, in the US, the smallest Scion did (which is a Yaris)

[Solstice2006]

No Corolla or Highlander on the list, no Fords, no GM, one Dodge.

I'd rather a Corolla or Highlander in a crash than the Scion Yaris WITH collision avoidance.

I'd take either..any time!

Well so would I.  But did any Scion, or Yaris make the list?

Yes, in the US, the smallest Scion did (which is a Yaris)

Is that the rebadged Mazda2? 

[dirtyjeffer]

I don't know that I agree with you on that one, Ron:

In a vehicle vs vehicle accident, mass wins almost every time.

I've shown before why a 1990 Lexus LS400 would be safer in a crash against any new compact...highest safety rated or not.

engineering is far more valuable than simple curb weight.

1959 Chev Bel Air (about 3900 lbs) vs 2009 Chev Malibu (about 3400 lbs).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPF4fBGNK0U

if you were driving the Malibu, you'd be somewhat sore, maybe some minor injuries...if you were driving the Bel Air, you'd be in pieces.

[mixmanmash]

I don't know that I agree with you on that one, Ron:

In a vehicle vs vehicle accident, mass wins almost every time.

I've shown before why a 1990 Lexus LS400 would be safer in a crash against any new compact...highest safety rated or not.

engineering is far more valuable than simple curb weight.

1959 Chev Bel Air (about 3900 lbs) vs 2009 Chev Malibu (about 3400 lbs).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPF4fBGNK0U

if you were driving the Malibu, you'd be somewhat sore, maybe some minor injuries...if you were driving the Bel Air, you'd be in pieces.

How about a 2016 Kia Sorento vs. a 2016 Kia Rio?

On wait.   Let's not let the height difference become a part of the argument.

2016 Kia Rio vs. 2016 Kia K900.

You're comparing too significant a difference in years (old vs. modern engineering).

[rrocket]

engineering is far more valuable than simple curb weight.

As soon as I hit enter, I said "Someone is going to mention a pre-collision testing old boat vs. a modern car".  I was right.   

Let's keep modern vs. modern, shall we?

Given a choice between an LS400 vs a teeny Scion..and your kids are in the car...you're going to take the teeny Scion?

I'll be in the LS400, thanks.  And it was nice knowing you.   

[dirtyjeffer]

engineering is far more valuable than simple curb weight.

As soon as I hit enter, I said "Someone is going to mention a pre-collision testing old boat vs. a modern car".  I was right.   

Let's keep modern vs. modern, shall we?

Given a choice between an LS400 vs a teeny Scion..and your kids are in the car...you're going to take the teeny Scion?

I'll be in the LS400, thanks.  And it was nice knowing you.   

ok, but that wasn't what you said, you simply stated mass wins, which is false.

here is a new smart car and a new S-class...two new vehicles, but their size and weight are quite different...the smart still does fairly well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_kuV7f8024

[tooscoops]

mass wins is still pretty correct... the mass difference in the case mentioned would be nearly negated by the age and wear on the metal from 50 years of use.

i have always had an issue with that video... i feel like the belair wasn't at the same speed, the belair is a poor choice as it was not the best of even it's day frame strength wise, and everyone who uses it to defend against the mass argument doesn't seem to understand we aren't talking about cars that weigh <500lbs less.....

[Cord]

^^ That Bel Air video should have a disclaimer - For Entertainment Purposes Only.

[dirtyjeffer]

mass wins is still pretty correct... the mass difference in the case mentioned would be nearly negated by the age and wear on the metal from 50 years of use.

i have always had an issue with that video... i feel like the belair wasn't at the same speed, the belair is a poor choice as it was not the best of even it's day frame strength wise, and everyone who uses it to defend against the mass argument doesn't seem to understand we aren't talking about cars that weigh <500lbs less.....

fine, then reference the second video, which shows a smart car and an S-Class, both brand new.

[tooscoops]

my second video showed an f150 killing a civic.....

[dirtyjeffer]

my second video showed an f150 killing a civic.....

what second video??...you haven't linked any videos.

is this what you mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCelD0qr8Do

and if so, the Civic fared just fine (considering this video is several years old)...the problem arouse when the F150 was lifted beyond its compatibility rating...you could do that to pretty much any vehicle if you purposely want it to fail.