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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2015, 08:25:55 am »
At least now Toyota Canada can justify Corolla country pricing.

The Cambridge Ontario Corolla was more expensive purchased at Cambridge Toyota than they same Cambridge Ont. vehicle purchased in Hawaii.

Yes railed to the west coast and shipped across the Pacific than trucked locally to a distribution facility, then to a dealer and yet less expensive. Go figure.
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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2015, 12:59:42 pm »
At least now Toyota Canada can justify Corolla country pricing.

The Cambridge Ontario Corolla was more expensive purchased at Cambridge Toyota than they same Cambridge Ont. vehicle purchased in Hawaii.

Yes railed to the west coast and shipped across the Pacific than trucked locally to a distribution facility, then to a dealer and yet less expensive. Go figure.

Corolla pricing has been fairly consistent between the U.S. and Canada and some models have been cheaper in Canada.

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2015, 01:08:23 pm »
At least now Toyota Canada can justify Corolla country pricing.

The Cambridge Ontario Corolla was more expensive purchased at Cambridge Toyota than they same Cambridge Ont. vehicle purchased in Hawaii.

Yes railed to the west coast and shipped across the Pacific than trucked locally to a distribution facility, then to a dealer and yet less expensive. Go figure.


Corolla pricing has been fairly consistent between the U.S. and Canada and some models have been cheaper in Canada.

Proof !! Not conjecture

"CBC News looked at the relative prices of 24 models made in Ontario by the five big automakers — Ford, GM, Chrysler, Honda and Toyota — and found that in 18 cases, the models cost thousands of dollars more to buy in Ontario than in the United States, including Hawaii."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canadians-pay-more-than-americans-for-canadian-made-vehicles-1.1141083
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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2015, 01:20:19 pm »
Not sure what your point is. The Canadian model is $115 more after freight. I'd call that consistent. MSRP is lower in Canada but obviously that advantage disappears when you factor in freight.

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2015, 01:31:57 pm »
Not sure what your point is. The Canadian model is $115 more after freight. I'd call that consistent. MSRP is lower in Canada but obviously that advantage disappears when you factor in freight.

The point is simple. It's cheaper and regardless by how much it should not be cheaper in Hawaii vs Cambridge considering the cost of transport.
I consider freight charges as a total cost factor imposed by the manufacture.

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2015, 02:21:03 pm »
The point is simple. It's cheaper and regardless by how much it should not be cheaper in Hawaii vs Cambridge considering the cost of transport.
I consider freight charges as a total cost factor imposed by the manufacture.

I don't understand this point of view. Transportation costs are one of many, many factors in pricing physical goods. Ultimately the market decides the price of the car. The Corolla is more expensive in Canada because the market can bear that cost.

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2015, 02:30:44 pm »
Back to my original statement of costing more. I don't accept being charged more simply because the market can bear it where I reside as a justifiable reason why I should pay more for the same product.
The statement being that the cost factor is higher when shipping is brought into the equation in Hawaii, not why or why not it's justifiable based on "country pricing and markets". Actual costs vs price marketing.

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2015, 02:58:15 pm »
well, I'm gonna post this one here, too.

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #68 on: May 07, 2015, 09:03:08 pm »
Back to my original statement of costing more. I don't accept being charged more simply because the market can bear it where I reside as a justifiable reason why I should pay more for the same product.
The statement being that the cost factor is higher when shipping is brought into the equation in Hawaii, not why or why not it's justifiable based on "country pricing and markets". Actual costs vs price marketing.

But like I said, there are many factors that determine pricing. It's easy to pick on shipping costs because it's an obvious factor but others are not so obvious.

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #69 on: May 07, 2015, 09:24:15 pm »
Back to my original statement of costing more. I don't accept being charged more simply because the market can bear it where I reside as a justifiable reason why I should pay more for the same product.
The statement being that the cost factor is higher when shipping is brought into the equation in Hawaii, not why or why not it's justifiable based on "country pricing and markets". Actual costs vs price marketing.

But like I said, there are many factors that determine pricing. It's easy to pick on shipping costs because it's an obvious factor but others are not so obvious.

Done with this. You simply make broad statements with little merit and seemingly attempt to justify country pricing. Your mystical other factors somehow lower the price of  the Corolla and negate thousands spent in trucking, rail and shipping. Even with exchange rates taken into account.

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #70 on: May 07, 2015, 10:08:35 pm »
Back to my original statement of costing more. I don't accept being charged more simply because the market can bear it where I reside as a justifiable reason why I should pay more for the same product.
The statement being that the cost factor is higher when shipping is brought into the equation in Hawaii, not why or why not it's justifiable based on "country pricing and markets". Actual costs vs price marketing.

But like I said, there are many factors that determine pricing. It's easy to pick on shipping costs because it's an obvious factor but others are not so obvious.

Done with this. You simply make broad statements with little merit and seemingly attempt to justify country pricing. Your mystical other factors somehow lower the price of  the Corolla and negate thousands spent in trucking, rail and shipping.

The other factors are hardly mythical - but they are tougher to quantify. Just a few off the top of my head:

- Economies of scale
- Marketing costs
- Exchange rates (current and projected)
- Regulatory compliance

I'm not saying that these and others offset the shipping costs, because I obviously don't know the details. But they are certainly factored into the price of the vehicle on both sides of the border. So to me, comparing prices strictly on the cost of shipping and freight as you are doing doesn't tell the whole story.

And we haven't even talked about the exchange rate. At the time that this article was published, the Canadian dollar was around $0.95 USD. So the Corolla was actually cheaper in Canada.

Of course, this situation isn't unique to cars. A case of Moosehead beer brewed in NB is half the price across the border in Maine. And for some reason gas that comes from the Irving refinery in Saint John is often cheaper at gas stations in Fredericton than it is in Saint John.


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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #71 on: June 07, 2015, 08:32:52 am »
Was talking with an engineer at the Toyota Cambridge plant , at this time they have no idea if anything is going to replace the Corolla

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2015, 10:30:37 am »
Was talking with an engineer at the Toyota Cambridge plant , at this time they have no idea if anything is going to replace the Corolla

Why would Toyota replace the Corolla?

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #73 on: June 07, 2015, 11:15:39 am »
Was talking with an engineer at the Toyota Cambridge plant , at this time they have no idea if anything is going to replace the Corolla

Why would Toyota replace the Corolla?

They will be replacing the Corolla production mandate in Cambridge with another product TBA.
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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #74 on: June 07, 2015, 11:26:19 am »
Was talking with an engineer at the Toyota Cambridge plant , at this time they have no idea if anything is going to replace the Corolla

Why would Toyota replace the Corolla?

They will be replacing the Corolla production mandate in Cambridge with another product TBA.

OK, got it now. I was reading it wrong.

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Re: Toyota moving to Mexico
« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2015, 09:52:16 pm »
Perfect timing for a Corolla review. The Automotive News and the Globe & Mail just reported that Corolla production is leaving Canada for
a new Billion Dollar plant in .................Mexico.
This is a big hit to the Canadian automotive industry.  I can see this continuing because it's just too expensive to manufacture in Canada.  I blame this mostly on unions that have gained too much power to the point of driving away business.
Isn't Toyota a non-union plant?
I'm not sure, but I doubt it.  Not many that are non-union in this day in age.

Not sure if anyone answered this, but the Canadian Honda and Toyota plsnts are not unionized.  However, they offer near identical wage and benefits packages in order to keep the union out.
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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2015, 12:49:09 pm »
Toyota is replacing the corolla production in Cambridge with the Rav4.

Interesting.  Doubt output is the same, and Toyota stated that it is not yet sure how many employees it will need...

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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2015, 01:38:11 pm »
So Toyota will make the RAV4 in Woodstock and Cambridge??

edit - found my own answer

The RAV4 is the most popular cross-over SUV sold in Canada. More than 220,000 of the vehicles are currently made each year at its Woodstock plant, .....
But that production doesn't meet North American demand, Baal said. Sales of the RAV4 in the U.S. alone exceeded 260,000 last year. "This is a hugely growing segment of the market," ...
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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2015, 03:27:48 pm »
Toyota is replacing the corolla production in Cambridge with the Rav4.

Interesting.  Doubt output is the same, and Toyota stated that it is not yet sure how many employees it will need...

Any word if the Hybrid will be made alongside?
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Re: Toyota moves Corolla to Mexico
« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2015, 05:39:39 pm »
Toyota is replacing the corolla production in Cambridge with the Rav4.

Interesting.  Doubt output is the same, and Toyota stated that it is not yet sure how many employees it will need...

Any word if the Hybrid will be made alongside?

Yes, it will be.
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