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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2015, 07:22:44 pm »
That's why I would expect such a product to be based on the 6 platform and to have a turbocharged version of the Skyactiv 2.5.

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2015, 01:54:21 pm »
The numbers for the current RAV are 159mm (6.3") and for the Forester 220mm (8.7").
By the way, the new Rav4 with 6.3" of ground clearance actually has a lower centre of gravity than the current Forester with 8.7" of ground clearance.

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2015, 02:16:02 pm »
The numbers for the current RAV are 159mm (6.3") and for the Forester 220mm (8.7").
By the way, the new Rav4 with 6.3" of ground clearance actually has a lower centre of gravity than the current Forester with 8.7" of ground clearance.

Isn't that to be expected though?

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2015, 02:38:29 pm »
The numbers for the current RAV are 159mm (6.3") and for the Forester 220mm (8.7").
By the way, the new Rav4 with 6.3" of ground clearance actually has a lower centre of gravity than the current Forester with 8.7" of ground clearance.
Isn't that to be expected though?
I was responding to this:

The boxer engine is a double edged sword for Subaru.  On the positive, it does make the driving experience terrific - low CG with great clearance, and it makes Subaru different from most makes. 
So yeah, it would be expected, but my point was that Subarus do not necessarily have the lowEST CG with a concomitant 'great' amount of ground clearance.  While it may help with CG, I'm more interested in the difference of yaw-weight with the flat engine.

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2015, 02:59:44 pm »
The numbers for the current RAV are 159mm (6.3") and for the Forester 220mm (8.7").
By the way, the new Rav4 with 6.3" of ground clearance actually has a lower centre of gravity than the current Forester with 8.7" of ground clearance.
Isn't that to be expected though?
I was responding to this:

The boxer engine is a double edged sword for Subaru.  On the positive, it does make the driving experience terrific - low CG with great clearance, and it makes Subaru different from most makes. 
So yeah, it would be expected, but my point was that Subarus do not necessarily have the lowEST CG with a concomitant 'great' amount of ground clearance.  While it may help with CG, I'm more interested in the difference of yaw-weight with the flat engine.

Ah ok. Would be interesting to know exactly how much effect the flat four has on the CG.

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2015, 05:13:59 pm »

Ah ok. Would be interesting to know exactly how much effect the flat four has on the CG.

I can't find the article I read now   >:(  but the lower CG of the new RAV is only slightly lower than the Forester but has to make do with quite a bit less clearance.  As for how well a boxer works in keeping CG low, ask an FR-S driver.

There are other advantages to the boxer.  Longitudinal mounting means the trans is behind the firewall and the front half-shafts can be made identical lengths.  Subaru goes on at length about "symmetrical AWD" for a reason.  With the system having equal length half shafts front and rear, it minimizes torque steer and when the AWD system moves power side to side it works very nicely.

Downsides to the boxer?  The engine has two heads, two timing belts, etc.  Things like plugs can be tough to get to.  On most Scoob models, the areas between the front of the engine and the rad is super tight.

Not specific to boxers, but to Subaru is the sound.  I love all the noises the 911s boxer makes, and the old air-cooled cars can be very raw and amazing to hear.  Subaru?  Not so much.

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2015, 05:43:38 pm »
  I love all the noises the 911s boxer makes, and the old air-cooled cars can be very raw and amazing to hear.  Subaru?  Not so much.

X1000.  Subarus sound like a POS.
How fast is my 911?  Supras sh*t on on me all the time...in reverse..with blown turbos  :( ...

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2015, 06:46:34 pm »
Love the Subie rumble

Sounds more like a grumble...

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2015, 07:07:36 pm »
You will grumble when I beat yo ass boi

With what?

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2015, 07:15:51 pm »
You will grumble when I beat yo ass boi

With what?

My money is on the MDX  :P

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2015, 07:19:28 pm »

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2015, 07:52:43 pm »
He's shopping for a new STi

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Re: Subaru Could Drop Six-Cylinder Engines
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2015, 09:05:38 am »
Love the Subie rumble
R.I.P. in all but the STi :'(