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New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« on: May 17, 2012, 01:17:59 pm »
Ford media just released information on their up coming European only Focus ECOnetic with a 1.6-litre Ford Duratorq TDCi diesel engine.

Bring on the platitudes why we can't get this on this side of pond.

http://media.ford.com/news/fordrevealsnewfocuseconeticeuropesmostfuelefficientcompactcar.htm

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Priced from £17,750 (est); or 28,551.50 CAD (tax in) to go on sale June 2012 in the U.K.
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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 02:19:40 pm »
I suspect that Ford NA ( aka Head Office) don't think it would sell in NA at a price they'd have to charge nor in volumes enough to justify the cost of certifying the power train as well as that it might cannibalize sales of the F150. 
I don't think there is any point in NA, apart from bragging rights, to build a fleet that is more economical that is required for CAFE.  There used to be when CAFE was structured differently but IIRC it has been changed.

However, put the price of Gas and Diesel in NA up to $6-7 a US gallon in the US and  $1.75 to $2 a litre in Canada and maybe, just maybe cars like this would appear.
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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 02:43:43 pm »
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I suspect that Ford NA ( aka Head Office) don't think it would sell in NA at a price they'd have to charge nor in volumes enough to justify the cost of certifying the power train as well as that it might cannibalize sales of the F150. 

Say what? A focus may cannibalize sales of the F-150?
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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 02:47:54 pm »
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I suspect that Ford NA ( aka Head Office) don't think it would sell in NA at a price they'd have to charge nor in volumes enough to justify the cost of certifying the power train as well as that it might cannibalize sales of the F150. 

Say what? A focus may cannibalize sales of the F-150?
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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 02:48:44 pm »
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I suspect that Ford NA ( aka Head Office) don't think it would sell in NA at a price they'd have to charge nor in volumes enough to justify the cost of certifying the power train as well as that it might cannibalize sales of the F150. 

Say what? A focus may cannibalize sales of the F-150?

Agreed, I don't see the focus and the F150 competing head to head. Four door commuter car vs full size utilitarian pick up.

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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 02:53:17 pm »
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I suspect that Ford NA ( aka Head Office) don't think it would sell in NA at a price they'd have to charge nor in volumes enough to justify the cost of certifying the power train as well as that it might cannibalize sales of the F150. 

Say what? A focus may cannibalize sales of the F-150?

Agreed, I don't see the focus and the F150 competing head to head. Four door commuter car vs full size utilitarian pick up.

Notwithstanding the small people in the small country building the small houses, there is not a person in North America that has cross shopped the Focus and F-150 for the same purpose.  :)

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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 03:08:26 pm »
"there is not a person in North America that has cross shopped the Focus and F-150 for the same purpose."

True but -

I've had minivans and cargo vans that I bought to haul goods not to cruise around in.  My freight hauling is reduced but I've made it a real point to become much more efficient.

I pull a trailer with the Echo if needed and the Echo by itself holds an amazing amount as do all hatchbacks.  Once you master the art of front passenger seat removal, capacity becomes amazing.

When absolutely necessary, I'll rent a cargo van but those occasions are fewer now that I've maximized the use of what I have.

Let's face it, very, very few people use the capacity of the vehicles they have whether it be pickups or vans or 300hp commuter cars.  $3/L gas will resuscitate the efficiency neurons and we'll all learn to get by with less excess.  On the rare occasions when capacity is needed, rental is an easy solution.

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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 11:38:32 pm »
Ford media just released information on their up coming European only Focus ECOnetic with a 1.6-litre Ford Duratorq TDCi diesel engine.

Bring on the platitudes why we can't get this on this side of pond.

http://media.ford.com/news/fordrevealsnewfocuseconeticeuropesmostfuelefficientcompactcar.htm

 ???
i doubt that diesel is a "clean diesel"...blame the governments in the US and Canada for making diesel vehicles follow the same emissions requirements as their gasoline counterparts for the lack of diesels here.
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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 05:42:36 am »
Ford media just released information on their up coming European only Focus ECOnetic with a 1.6-litre Ford Duratorq TDCi diesel engine.

Bring on the platitudes why we can't get this on this side of pond.

http://media.ford.com/news/fordrevealsnewfocuseconeticeuropesmostfuelefficientcompactcar.htm

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i doubt that diesel is a "clean diesel"...blame the governments in the US and Canada for making diesel vehicles follow the same emissions requirements as their gasoline counterparts for the lack of diesels here.
I suspect that as that engine will have to meet EU5 and maybe EU6 that it could be made to meet the benighted EPA standards very easily. 

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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012, 06:53:59 am »
Thanks for the research Redman.

This is the exact type of vehicle Canadians would buy if only someone would sell it in our market.

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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012, 03:02:45 pm »
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Re: New Focus ECOnetic 3.5 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2012, 03:32:51 pm »
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