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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2010, 07:10:21 pm »
be interesting to see how well they sell to gen xers here , the only gen xers i know have student loans up the ying yang and still go to college , drive small used cars , which they consider a necessary evil because it interferes with their texing and phone calls
 buying a new car ? not for the ones i know , between part time jobs and college how are they supposed to buy a new car

i didn't care for the flat sided tc of the first gen but it was , by far , better looking then this new one

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2010, 07:22:36 pm »
be interesting to see how well they sell to gen xers here , the only gen xers i know have student loans up the ying yang and still go to college , drive small used cars , which they consider a necessary evil because it interferes with their texing and phone calls
 buying a new car ? not for the ones i know , between part time jobs and college how are they supposed to buy a new car

i didn't care for the flat sided tc of the first gen but it was , by far , better looking then this new one

Millenials surely not genXers. Are not GenXers all in their 40's by now? I though GenX started in 1965.

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2010, 07:34:42 pm »
They will sell regardless of the design. They will sell regardless of their merits in any area or lack thereof. They will sell because the uncritical consumer will see them as a Toyota and thereby assume they are somehow "good", even if they are total POS vehicles.

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2010, 07:36:06 pm »
Seems to me Toyota has missed the cool window on the Scion brand in Canada.  Like Saturn it was great marketing bit when it first came out in the states.  However (like Saturn) Scions are no longer thought to be a cool car to own and have slipped to being a practical slightly more stylish choice for generic buyers.

Like the Element I'm betting most buyers will be seniors.

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2010, 08:36:01 pm »
Scions have been available here since 2004 (I think), and really the 'new' has been worn off for quite some time.  I see more Kia Souls in my area than I do all Scion models combined.  I agree with the above poster that they have missed their window of opportunity in Canada.

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2010, 08:36:58 pm »
my mistake , i meant gen y's

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2010, 12:26:24 am »
Scions have been available here since 2004 (I think), and really the 'new' has been worn off for quite some time.  I see more Kia Souls in my area than I do all Scion models combined.  I agree with the above poster that they have missed their window of opportunity in Canada.

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Scion is 6 years overdue, but with the Echo at the time selling like hotcakes in Canada, Toyota probably saw no reason to introduce the Scion line to Canada. Sure the sales 45,000 Echos in 2004 would've been canabalized but perhaps we would've seen over 70,000 Echos, xAs, and xBs sold. Is my number too optimistic?

Mind you the 1.8 almost delivers the fuel efficiency of the 1.5 but with a bit more punch, but I don't know about the 2.4, I'm not a fan of that engine. I do like the tC's new 2.5 which I believe is what the Camry SE I4 has.

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2010, 10:48:52 am »
be interesting to see how well they sell to gen xers here , the only gen xers i know have student loans up the ying yang and still go to college , drive small used cars , which they consider a necessary evil because it interferes with their texing and phone calls
 buying a new car ? not for the ones i know , between part time jobs and college how are they supposed to buy a new car

i didn't care for the flat sided tc of the first gen but it was , by far , better looking then this new one


Millenials surely not genXers. Are not GenXers all in their 40's by now? I though GenX started in 1965.

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I am last of the Gen X? Wow

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2010, 10:52:45 am »
I am going to wait to see how these cars work out in Canada. Maybe go and sit in one to see at some point to see why it's better than buying another japanese brand.

Feel like Scion will compete most with Honda's lower offering specifically the Civic and Fit. However, the Civic should be updated soon which will be interesting since Scion's going to take a bit of time to built up it's market awareness.

In general Toyota haven't made anything I'd want. So I am curious to see if this will change with Scion. I doubt it though since my next car is likely to be a mid size something and scion don't make anything in that range.

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2010, 12:53:05 am »
I think the iQ is a nifty little city car. The current xB lost the plot. I liked the first one much better. Really unfortunate Toyota never sold them here. The xD and TC don't do much for me either way.

As expected, aren't you more of a Buick kind of guy?   :rofl2:

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2010, 08:29:09 am »
I must say, I really like the design of the new xB.  I wasn't crazy about the first generation but thought they did a fantastic job the second time around.

I had no idea it came with a 2.4L.  For some reason I thought it had the same 1.5-1.6 L engines as the original xB and thus was very underpowered.

It's still underpowered because the current xB weighs over 500 lbs more than the first generation.

Having said that, I noticed that Car and Driver recorded a 7.3 second 0-60 time and a 15.7 second @ 89 mph quarter-mile time for their long-term xB test car at the 40k mile mark.
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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2010, 03:17:46 pm »
About time Toyota brings thier Scion brand to Canada. Might be a too little too late for these cars to make an impact here, but will see. Since I don't like the look of the new Honda Civics at all, this would be of more interest to me as would the new Kia Forte Koupe if I was in the market for a little econo sporty coupe.
And I agree with John MacDonald, why don't Honda and Toyota make sports cars ? Toyota had been dangling the "New supra" carrot in front of us for years ..... were is it ?  the New luxus supercar doesn't count ! Toyota had a good thing going with the Celica but was underpowered and too "Boy Racer" compared to it's rivals, so sales drop'd. No big surprise there.
So hopefully this new brand will become a seller and give Toyota a push to produce a real sports car the general public can actually afford. :)
And Honda .... "what about a new 300bhp Prelude ?"  or something of that nature ! The 2001 Prelude handles like a true sports car, but feels like it's draging an anchor !

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2010, 09:15:37 pm »
I like it. The tc that is.  Seems like a relative bargain actually. Looks good, lots of power and economical. I think it does compete with something like the Honda Civic Si. I don't know what the complainers are complaining about. I recently owned a Mazda 3 with lots of goodies on it. I thought that was a bargain too. But, this vehicle seems more aggressive and sturdy, like a Toyota should be. The 180 HP is enticing. You don't have to be a twenty year old to appreciate something like this. I'd  say it has the appeal of a baby Lexus, styling wise, that is.
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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2010, 02:46:59 pm »
I like it. The tc that is.  Seems like a relative bargain actually. Looks good, lots of power and economical. I think it does compete with something like the Honda Civic Si. I don't know what the complainers are complaining about. I recently owned a Mazda 3 with lots of goodies on it. I thought that was a bargain too. But, this vehicle seems more aggressive and sturdy, like a Toyota should be. The 180 HP is enticing. You don't have to be a twenty year old to appreciate something like this. I'd  say it has the appeal of a baby Lexus, styling wise, that is.

Drove the tC before I got the Si.  They seem similar on paper but they're actually VERY different vehicles for VERY different drivers.  The tC looks sporty, but it's not.  I'd actually say that in terms of driving experience, it's the spiritual successor to the Solara, not the Celica.  Now, some people want a pleasant, soft, isolating experience from their coupe.  But it's not what you expect from a sport compact.  So long as you go into it wanting a budget-priced grand touring machine, not a sport compact, you'll like it.

The Civic Si, on the other hand, is about one thing and one thing alone: driving.  It's got a sharp, precise, yet raw mechanical nature that puts you in intimate connection with the chassis, the engine, and everything that makes it dance.  And dance it does.  But it's a razor blade on four wheels all the time, not a sleek-looking cruiser.  When you try to cruise in it, road and mechanical noise overwhelms you, you feel every pebble underneath you, and the torqueless engine bogs down because you're not keeping it on the boil.  Make sure you want the car equivalent of an A6M Zero before you get one.

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Re: First Drive: 2011 Scion xD, xB and tC
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2010, 06:54:27 pm »
Did you know that at one time Toyota was considering branding the Toyota Matrix as a Scion?

It looks unattractive enough to have that seem likely.