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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2010, 12:22:45 pm »
Grassroots Motorsports magazine just released the November issue pitting the CR-Z vs the original CRX in several tests including autoslalom.  The results will surprise you!

As stated by Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear, a sports car should be something that has a soul and something that brings out a passion for driving.  If that can happen with a 0-60 time of 12 second or 4 seconds, the feeling should be the same.  

It's a lot for fun to drive a slow car fast then a fast car slow.  Just my 2 cents.



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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2010, 07:50:48 pm »
Yes, but what does the GRM review *say*?  Quit teasing us! ;)

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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2010, 08:27:49 pm »
Yeah, it would be just as useful as the Yaris but MUCH more fun to drive!  Only a 2-seater but the Yaris isn't much more except for in a pinch.

You can order the JDM back seats for the CR-Z if you want....
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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2010, 08:51:29 pm »
Yes, but what does the GRM review *say*?  Quit teasing us! ;)

Not sure if you saw this but Insideline did a similar comparo of the CR-Z vs. the 87 CRX Si.

http://www.insideline.com/honda/cr-z/2011/2011-honda-cr-z-vs-1987-honda-crx-si.html

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As we've discovered here in this 1987 Honda CRX Si, the CRX Si in its first- and second-generation forms remains among the most lovable cars that Honda has ever produced. And if Honda produced something directly equivalent to them today — as lightweight and with just as delightful a powertrain — we'd all want one.

But that's not what Honda offers us. Times have changed, and the 2011 Honda CR-Z shows us that modern standards of safety and comfort have taken their toll on the size and weight of small cars, even as improved structural rigidity and electronically enhanced engines, brakes and vehicle control systems have made them better for everyday transportation.

Yet what Honda offers in the CR-Z isn't that bad at all.

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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #104 on: November 02, 2010, 08:23:57 am »
Grassroots Motorsports magazine just released the November issue pitting the CR-Z vs the original CRX in several tests including autoslalom.  The results will surprise you!

The only surprise would be if the CR-Z didn't beat a 20 year old car in the same class. There has been massive progress in 20 years, modern iterations of sporty cars from 20 years ago, like a 2010 Miata, or 2010 VW GTI would obliterate their 20 year old counterparts (and the CR-Z).

Performing like it was 20 years ago is ridiculous benchmark.

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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #105 on: November 02, 2010, 07:38:07 pm »
Yes, but what does the GRM review *say*?  Quit teasing us! ;)

"...the average times after a whole morning of runs were within 0.03 second of each other..."
"...the two cars went about their missions slightly differently...The CR-Z is obviously bigger and heavier, but it drives small and rotates on its front tires like a car clearly designed to carve a nice line."
"The latest CR car is merely trying to be fun, frugal, sporty car that carries on Honda's long tradition of cutting-edge two-seaters."

I believe the message from the article is this was not an attempt to replace the CRX but rather to offer a balanced 2 seat sporty car for a future of fuel efficient driving.  The market dictates heavy safety features and creature comforts therefore we will never see light weight cars like the CRX until the cost of carbon fiber comes down.

"The only surprise would be if the CR-Z didn't beat a 20 year old car in the same class. There has been massive progress in 20 years, modern iterations of sporty cars from 20 years ago, like a 2010 Miata, or 2010 VW GTI would obliterate their 20 year old counterparts (and the CR-Z).  Performing like it was 20 years ago is ridiculous benchmark."

I agree with your statement however tire development has allowed these cars to generate skid pad and braking numbers far superior to their 20 year old counter parts.  Colin Chapman always insisted that weight is the enemy of a good handling car and the 88 CRX tips the scales at 2100lbs vs the CR-Z at 2700.  Take a stock 88 CRX and add modern performance tires (like many autocrossers do), equivalent to what Honda put on the CR-Z and the Grassroots performance test would be very different indeed.









 

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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #107 on: November 03, 2010, 12:33:55 am »
diesel forever ;D

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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #108 on: November 03, 2010, 12:58:12 am »
I'd rather this:
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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #109 on: November 03, 2010, 07:56:53 pm »

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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #110 on: November 04, 2010, 08:53:17 am »

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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #111 on: January 04, 2011, 09:04:25 am »
Since this Canadian Driver Puff piece first appeared, the CRZ was tested by Consumer Reports; It scored too low to recommend:

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2010/12/2011-honda-cr-z-hybrid-scores-too-low-for-consumer-reports-to-recommend.html

Motor Trend put it on the Worst handling cars of 2010 List (A Tie with the 4-Runner):

http://wot.motortrend.com/10-worst-handling-cars-tested-2010-20318.html#ixzz19bbzdvoy

This corroborates Edmunds inside line also found it too be poor handling, being slower through the cones than the CR-V.

http://www.insideline.com/honda/cr-z/2011/2011-honda-cr-z-full-test-and-video.html

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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #112 on: January 04, 2011, 11:08:38 am »
Since this Canadian Driver Puff piece first appeared, the CRZ was tested by Consumer Reports; It scored too low to recommend:

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2010/12/2011-honda-cr-z-hybrid-scores-too-low-for-consumer-reports-to-recommend.html

Motor Trend put it on the Worst handling cars of 2010 List (A Tie with the 4-Runner):

http://wot.motortrend.com/10-worst-handling-cars-tested-2010-20318.html#ixzz19bbzdvoy

This corroborates Edmunds inside line also found it too be poor handling, being slower through the cones than the CR-V.

http://www.insideline.com/honda/cr-z/2011/2011-honda-cr-z-full-test-and-video.html

Yet, it is voted the Japanese Car of the Year!

I'm sure there is no bias there of course...there is only bias towards American Cars by the American media...and no one else sells competitive cars in Japan anyway.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/01/honda-so-excited-about-winning-japan-car-of-the-year-that-cr-z-g/

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Re: 2011 Honda CR-Z; Day 1
« Reply #113 on: January 04, 2011, 11:27:34 am »
..So how does driving a SLOW car SLOW rate............ ??? :think: :nono: >:D.

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