Topic: NOx scandal widens. Other EU diesel cars test many times over the NEDC limit.

[EV Dan]

So far no other car maker was caught using dieselgate-like software, but the majority of tested cars did much worse in real world driving than claimed on the official lab test.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row

Friends of the Earth air pollution campaigner Jenny Bates said: “With further manufacturers implicated, this is yet more evidence that this scandal goes way beyond VW, and should cause decision-makers to question the very future of diesel vehicles on our roads. This is a massive public health disgrace and the failure to prevent vehicles breaking pollution rules will have cost lives.”

 

[JohnnyMac]

So far no other car maker was caught using dieselgate-like software, but the majority of tested cars did much worse in real world driving than claimed on the official lab test.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row

Friends of the Earth air pollution campaigner Jenny Bates said: “With further manufacturers implicated, this is yet more evidence that this scandal goes way beyond VW, and should cause decision-makers to question the very future of diesel vehicles on our roads. This is a massive public health disgrace and the failure to prevent vehicles breaking pollution rules will have cost lives.”

Okay so no other car maker used "dieselgate-like" software, explain how they passed the emissions tests?  Is it simply a total failure by the test?  Or prehaps the vehicles were "tuned" in such a way to ace the test but have different results in real life.

I still think this is such a pile of horse shat.  Meanwhile other car makers produce cars that actually killed/harmed people.  If we're all going to get our panties in a bunch over emissions then maybe we need to get rid of all gas/diesel vehicles and switch to hydrogen/electric vehicles.

[EV Dan]

There is no point to have a gov-t emission req's for new cars if in real world the cars will be up to 40x dirtier than claimed by the MFGs. So it seems the cars need to be tested independently in real world under every possible engine load and temperature. Also it maybe necessary to lower the NOx threshold for 1-2 years to avoid the industry collapse BUT on the other hand, as the article states, 5 out of 200 tested diesel cars were within the test parameters. So, there is nothing wrong with the expected NOx levels and most likely, as JM says, the cars were tuned for the test but not for daily driving. You can't really blame the car makers here. Their engineers were told: here's what's gonna be on the test, make sure our cars pass. And they did and would do so for number of years to come if VAG were not caught cheating and now they roll up everyone's sleeves for notes.
In related news, VW Phaeton is announced to be a battery electric car 

[tpl]

In a sensible world, after this thing and with the upcoming fuel economy stuff in 2025, it perhaps should be time to freeze the emission standards for a decade or so.   I'd freeze the fuel economy standards as well at 2016 but insist that light trucks ( 1 tonne and down) met the same economy and emissions as cars ( not to mention headlight height and bumper height)

[mmret]

( not to mention headlight height and bumper height)

TPL is it too late for you to run for President/Prime Minister/Chancellor/General Secretary?

[G.Bombay]

Reviving an old thread. Watched this tonight and thought it was worth sharing. I'm not sure how credible it is but seems show how emissions testing/laws are a mess in Europe.
https://youtu.be/gguwJRrzzF8

[EV-Light]

Government created this...and now they are once again trying to fix it the wrong way....


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