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Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« on: May 09, 2011, 04:02:33 am »

The legislative war on the car is making it more difficult to drive in peace, says lawyer, Jordan Charness.

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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 07:42:18 am »
The auto insurance business is amazing. Insurers claim to always lose money but never go out of business, and fight like banshees to prevent public auto insurance.

The house always wins! The insurance cartel operates on a cost-plus basis their profits safeguarded, guaranteed and topped-up by so-called regulators. An absolutely risk-free business, policyholders pay small claims out of pocket and pray they will never have a serious claim because the cartel, if it doesn't weasel out of the claim, will extract the cost from them several times over for having the audacity to actually use the insurance for the purpose intended.

Ya think it might have something to do with political donations?
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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 02:48:41 pm »
Who is fighting for drivers' rights? Nobody.

In Quebec, even the CAA is complacent towards governments, always agreeing with, even encouraging, more and more restrictions such as photo radar, lower speed limits, higher gas taxes, higher fines, lower blood alcohol thresholds and more police enforcement. All these stances are expressed in the CAA's Touring magazine.

Nailing drivers in the middle of the day for going 125 km/h on the open highway does nothing for safety. If eveyone agrees with our absurdly low speed limits, how come almost no one is complying with them?

Nailing mom and pop @ .07 ba at 10:00 PM on a Saturday night will do nothing to the drunk who climbs his modded Civic atop a telephone pole at 3:30 AM.

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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 08:41:51 am »
I agree with GW that the insurance business benefits from higher claims.  Check your windshield, chiropractic or dental repairs etc, etc.  They ask you "Are you insured?"  If not, you pay about half what they bill an insurance company.  Higher payouts = higher revenues = higher profits.

My objection to this article is the tone that the governments are screwing drivers.  The underlying mentality of this is that the world is really a tootsy pop with a centre of sweet crude and that human induced climate change doesn't exist.  Just let us play with our toys and get the government out of the way, gas all of the eggheads and everything will run "real good".  Time to recognize that the free ride is over and now we have to work at living on this planet.

If you don't recognize the inevitable trend of higher fuel prices and declining government revenues, your life will be a continuous series of baffling and seemingly arbitrary blindsides by faceless bureaucrats out to ruin your fun.  Not a healthy place to be mentally.  Get ahead of the curve, get a world view and get efficient.

BernardP.  Defending drinking and driving is beyond belief.  If you can't manage to avoid driving without a level well below 0.07, then you have a problem and it isn't the governments fault.  Wake up and dial AA.

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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 09:10:15 am »
Well said, JohnM!

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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2011, 09:42:58 am »
I sure didn't read Bernards post as a defence of drunk driving. Just another example of the government and the law taking the easy way out instead of making the tough choices and really going after the problem.
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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2011, 09:58:53 am »
Nailing mom and pop @ .07 ba at 10:00 PM on a Saturday night will do nothing to the drunk who climbs his modded Civic atop a telephone pole at 3:30 AM.

Let's get them all.

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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 10:09:57 am »

BernardP.  Defending drinking and driving is beyond belief.  If you can't manage to avoid driving without a level well below 0.07, then you have a problem and it isn't the governments fault.  Wake up and dial AA.


I'm not defending drunk driving at all. The legal limit here is .08, and there is currently a proposal to lower it to .05, although being between .05 and .08 would not be a "criminal offense": the police would simply fine you, seize your car and leave you on the side of the road.

My point is that instead of harassing the couple who has shared a single bottle of wine in the course of a restaurant dinner, lawmakers and police should go after the true drunks who crash with a ba at double and triple the .08 limit.

(a shared bottle of wine over 2 to 3 hours will put both persons above .05 ba, but still below .08)

But when these drunks are at their most dangerous, in the middle of the night, most of the staff on the police force are asleep. It's more convenient to go after the soft targets, and it still gives the impression that the gvt. is tough on drunk driving.

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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2011, 12:44:23 pm »
I agree with BernardP.    Especially the comment about soft targets.   

The "old" way of issuing a warning, taking the car for one night was fine. The new way in Ontario of escalating vehicle  confiscation AND an MVR report that the  Insurance company can see is gross overkill.  There are some statistics of course that say that 0.05 makes one impaired, there are also statistics that say it doesn't.

IF the federal government chooses to make 0.05 the new limit in the criminal code thats ok...their right to do that but NOT have the province impose "virtual fines" aided and abetted by the insurance companies without a day in court.  And that is leaving out the economic harm to the rural hospitality industry.


Anyway. The real "war against the automobile" is caused by a small subset of green activists  who have managed to convince governments that there is more revenue to made by fines and restrictions  and therefore having to spend less  on roads.
 Actually it is all Henry Ford's fault for making cars cheap and making the working class believe that they should own one.    If the poor couldn't afford cars  then
a) some of the current zoning laws would be gone and people would live within a bus ride of their work which itself would have good effects. Denser living and possibly a more even spread of industry across the country.
 b) there would be more buses/subways  'cos of  more demand and c) the roads would be emptier for the middle classes so we could drive faster.  Fewer cars would also get back to those happy days  when one could park where one was going not 3 blocks away.

When I was a kid in the UK  it was made, on purpose, very difficult to borrow to buy a car.  Maximum 2 years to pay and a minimum 25% deposit. Cars in the UK were far more expensive relative to incomes than they are here and now.   This worked for a decade or two until the rise of the company car.  Anyone who wasn't actually a production line worker got a company supplied car...because it was really difficult to buy one ( leasing to individuals didn't exists) but easy for companies to do a mixture of buy and lease for employees.  This whole thing was still going on when I left but by then  one could get a "house improvement loan" and of course people bought cars with them.   The whole business or credit control was axed in the late '70s.

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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2011, 01:04:34 pm »
"War Against the Automobile" !  Give me a break, CD_Editor. This article is what I call "beer hall culture".

First, the government you decry IS the people.  It is not, as business and the media have conditioned you to think, a "big brother" orgainzation separate from and beating on the citizens.

Second, out of mind and sight, vast subsidies have been paid to support automobile use.  For instance, every gas pump lists the taxes, but doesn't even mention, let alone list, the subsidies.  Just because it appears there may be a small reduction in the net subsidies doesn't mean there is a war on automobiles.

Third, in earlier days, those who popularized personal transportation using private cars could not have foreseen the problems of pollution, crowding and use of fuel that eventually and unavoidably have resulted from relatively unconstrained dependence on private car use.

Just as we moved from seeing nothing wrong from dumping our "night soils" in the street, and unhindered smoking, we are beginning to wake up to the fact that there have to be limits on use of cars.

And the reason for that is that getting from point A to point B using private automobiles is an extremely inefficient and therefoer wasteful way of getting around.  Overdependence on bloated "cars" is draining our wealth, making our cities into frantic noisy smelly messes, and poisoning our (only) planet.

Constraining use of cars is a sign of a maturing society, not proof that the sky is falling
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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 02:17:47 pm »
In terms of alcohol levels, the debate is senseless once it goes over zero.  Most people have a drink later in the evening and this is the last period in which you want your faculties to be further diminished.  Darkness and fatigue don't mix with any level of alcohol.

Everyone is different but the one thing that remains the same is your ability to tell when you are marginally impaired.  You can't. 

If you are driving, you don't take a drink period.  That works for the countries who have vastly diminished their road fatalities.  I live in an area where alcoholism is distressingly common.  "One for the road.", "I've had a few but I'm OK to drive.", "A couple of beer doesn't affect me much.", "Just a bit of wine with dinner.", and on.  If you hear any of these, just call a cab.

Since calling a cab is simply not practical most of the time and extremely expensive anytime, just get it straight before you go out who will be driving and not drinking.  The law should be written to zero tolerance so alcohol dependent individuals can't fool themselves into trying to judge their own level of impairment.

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Re: Steering You Right: The war against the automobile
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 02:57:30 pm »
..the alcohol level arguments like ciggies will never cease till anyone having a bevvie is abused....hey they may go home by cab and then "sneak out..dirty buggers" fer a burger or fag.......IT never ends with DO GOODERS.............

  the worse Car REAR ENDERS are the EPA  and National Highway and Safety Assoc......followed by their catalysts the GREENIES......sure glad i'm gonna be inna "scooter" by the time these lot S..L..O..W  ANY movement above 4MPH..... :'( :'( :'( :'(
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